Treinadores [Discussão]

Parece que o Jardim foi de vela por ter andado a dormir com a mulher do Presidente :lol: :lol:

SL

Se calhar tb saiu do Braga pelos mesmos motivos :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Isso tem fundo de verdade ou é só mesmo peta? :question:

Está no Sapo/Desporto. :great:

SL

Por mim vinha já hoje para Alvalade.

Gosto do Leonardo Jardim.

Se em cima de ser um bom treinador ainda conseguir meter um par de cornos no Godinho, what’s not to like? :inde:

Também gostava mas visto que o vitor pereira acaba contrato no final da época vejo este a entrar no porco

Vai ser uma conversa engraçada quando o Pinto da Costa, a esposa, e o Leonardo Jardim se sentarem à mesa para discutir as cláusulas do contrato,

A mulher do GL nao deve ser grande coisa

Sobre o Jardim,excelente artigo.

The Unjust Sacking of Leonardo Jardim & the Destructive "Myth" of Ernesto Valverde

January 19, 2013 by Chris Andre

Jardim has become yet another managerial victim at Olympiakos. The recycling of managers in Greek football is destructive, and the obsession with Ernesto Valverde among Olympiakos fans, is unjustified. The fans’ mentality is contributing to the stunting of Greek football
Leonardo Jardim was sacked from his role as Olympiakos’ manager today. Antonis Nikopolidis has taken over, presumably on an interim basis. When the new manager succeeds him, he will become the 20th manager Olympiakos have had in 11 years. On average, that’s a life span of just over 6 months for a manager at the club. When considering that a football season is not actually 12 months, but 9, then the statistic is even more embarrassing. This is the sort of lack of stability that prevents Greek football from fulfilling it’s potential. Somehow, it always seems to be the manager’s fault. This is not just a problem exclusive to Olympiakos, after all, who could forget Alberto Malesani’s famous rant. While at Panathinaikos he lost his temper during a press conference: “12 years, 24 managers! F***! A manager is always the one that has to be punished here!”.

Simply put, Malesani was correct to point out this ridiculous situation. Greek football clubs are poorly run by their board members, who seem to give in to the pressure of short-sighted Greek fans. As a man proud of his Greek origin I take no joy in saying this - and it could prove to be unpopular - but Greek football fans are generally speaking the most clueless fans I have ever come across! Take Temuri Ketsbaia as an example. He was appointed as manager of Olympiakos in 2009. After just 6 competitive fixtures his team was still undefeated, without having conceded a goal. He had won 5 of those games, with the only slip up being a 0-0 draw at home to Kavala (a team that neither Olympiakos nor Panathinaikos would beat that season). Yet he was sacked because the fans demanded a change. Why? Because it was deemed that Olympiakos were too negative in their approach! It was ironic, therefore, that Panathinaikos ended up winning the league that season! To use the old cliched phrase: “careful what you wish for”! But have they learned their lesson as to how destructive instability is? Of course not! It seems that these unrealistic expectations dictate how a club is run, and that is what plays a huge role in stunting Greek football. What is laughable though is that those same fans that are responsible for the recycling of managers, are the same people that then criticise the poor organisation within the Greek league! It seems that for the Piraeus club, only one man is good enough: Ernesto Valverde. However if one analyses the reality of his reign it is rather surprising that he would be so highly rated.

EUROPEAN RECORD:
In 2005 the Norwegian manager Trond Sollied took over at Olympiakos. In his first season he won the domestic double. In December 2006 though he was sacked as manager, despite Olympiakos being top of the league. The reason given was that Olympiakos needed to be achieving a lot more the in Champions League. The club from Piraeus had to be qualifying for the last 16 of this prestigious competition and so Sollied was deemed to be a failure. Olympiakos have been so dominant domestically over the last 15 years that it was decided that this would, from now on, be the litmus test for success. If Sollied failed, how can one consider Valverde to be a success therefore?

When Valverde first arrived he was humiliated as Anorthosis, who spend a fraction of what Olympiakos do, battered them 3-0 in Cyprus. The Cypriot champions then eased through in the second leg with a 1-0 defeat. Many brushed that off with, “it was a fluke”, and expectation was high as they went in to the Europa League. The group stages brought mixed results. There were a couple of fantastic performances at home with 4-0 and 5-1 wins over Hertha and Benfica respectively. Hertha would finish bottom of the league the following season, and Benfica were weak too, but they were impressive results nonetheless. Away from home the Erythrolefki were poor though. Defeats at unfancied Metalist, and Turkish rivals Galatasary, showed some very big limitations. Valverde’s XI were not simply beaten at these grounds, they were comprehensively out played. Nonetheless the Greek Champions were highly fancied when they met relegation threatened St Etienne in the knock out stages. The winner would have faced AC Milan and the Greek media was rife with talk of that clash. It would never happen though. Valverde’s side was outclassed! Defensively inept, lacking an imagination, tactically poor, and physically weak too. As a result they were torn apart 1-3 at home, and 2-1 away. Ultimately, they lost 5-2 on aggregate to a very weak Ligue 1 side.

In the Spanish manager’s second stint at the helm, Olympiakos finished third in their Champions League group and went to the Europa League once again. The team was expected to go far, but they flopped once more. Having won in Kharkiv in the first leg, and leading at home in the 2nd leg, Olympiakos seemed to be cruising through with 10 minutes to go. They went out on away goals as Metalist scored 2 on the 81st and 86th minutes (2-2 on agg).

So to re-cap, Sollied was sacked despite winning the domestic double, because Olympiakos had to do more in Europe. Valverde must be judged by the same standard therefore, and he has been a victim of the “mighty” : Metalist, Anorthosis and St Etienne!

VALVERDE: DEVELOPING YOUNGSTERS, OR STUNTING THEM?:
As I explained in another article, which can also be found on Phantis, Greek football produces a lot of top class young talent. Valverde seemed intent on stunting or ruining them though. Despite his superb goal-scoring record, Kostas Mitroglou was frozen out of the team. He was sent on loan for two seasons in a row, while other inferior forwards remained at the club. Giannis Papadopoulos also seemed to have a big future, but he too was ignored. Giannis Fetfatzidis was nicknamed “the Greek Messi” because of his exciting style, dribbling skills and incisive through-balls. He was another that was banished in to obscurity by Valverde. The biggest “crime” though was the fact that Kyriakos Papadopoulos was forced out. Ketsbaia was using him as a holding midfielder and his performances were superb. Valverde opted to neglect his talents to such an extent though, that the youngster chose to leave Piraeus. K.Papadopoulos signed for Schalke, walked in to the first team, and is now considered to be one of the world’s eminent young defensive players.

LEONARDO JARDIM:
Firstly, it is important to note that the squad that Valverde had at his disposal last season, was better than the squad that Jardim had at his disposal this season. The Portuguese tactician lost Mirallas (the Superleague Player of the Year and topscorer), Mellberg (the rock at the back), and Marcano (the only reliable left back on Olympiakos’ books). Avraam Papadopoulos has also been injured since the European Championships and has not been available for him. Orbaiz has also gone, so Jardim had lost 3 of the 4 starting defenders, the holding midfielder ahead of them, and the league’s top scorer! He reacted like any top manager would though. He has managed to work with the defence sufficiently enough to make them settle together fairly quickly. He has also brought Mitroglou back from the abyss, who has been a goal machine for them. Mitroglou has played so well that he is back in the Greece squad and has attracted interest from a number of Europe’s clubs, including praise from Arsene Wenger.

Jardim’s Olympiakos have also practically already won the league (as of today they are undefeated and 10 points clear with a game in hand), still in the domestic Cup, and were very unlucky not to qualify for the last 16 of the Champions League. Nonetheless, they did beat the French Champions, Montpellier, home and away, and are in the Europa League as a result. He has also yet to be beaten by a weaker team, like Valverde’s side was on a consistent basis! Yet he’s jobless. Again, one must ask why? Because the performances against Levadiakos and Kavala were lethargic? Those are games Olympiakos won! Top teams win when they do not play well, this is the same in every league! No team plays stunning football constantly.

Olympiakos and Greek fans in general need to wake up! People need to realise that Alex Ferguson, a legend in the game, did not win a trophy in his first 3 and half years at Manchester Utd! Had he been the manager of Olympiakos, he’d have been sacked after 6 months! A manager needs time to make the team his own. To do that he needs at least 2 seasons to apply his philosophy. Jardim had just arrived, yet had started well despite having a new team. Yet the fans have executed him from his role. Now a new coach must come in, start at square one, and before making the team his own, he will be sacked too! What do the fans expect, a new Barcelona level side built in 6 months on a small budget? As long as they continue to pursue this ridiculous mentality Olympiakos (and Greek football in general) will never prosper. Let us remember that Otto Rehhagel was also under pressure early on, but EPO stuck with him and look how that turned out. Wake up Greek fans, or our clubs will forever be the laughing stock of Europe when it comes to organisation!

[url]http://www.phantis.com/blogs/midfield-maestro/unjust-sacking-leonardo-jardim-destructive-myth-ernesto-valverde[/url]

Gostava de um dia o ver como treinador do Sporting.

Oh oh, prepare top be bulldozed by Valverde fans… :shifty:

A ser verdade o Leonardo Jardim foi um rei :lol:

Depois de ler o artigo que coloquei mais acima fiquei sem dúvidas em relação a isso.

[b]Leonardo Jardim desmente caso com mulher do presidente[/b]

Até ser despedido, de forma surpreendente e com uma pitada de escândalo. Um blogue humorístico fez constar que o técnico teria tido um affair com Jelene Trojanske, mulher do presidente do Olympiakos, Evangelos Marinakis, influente empresário da indústria naval, e o rumor espalhou-se, como mancha de óleo, pelas redes sociais e imprensa. À VISÃO, Leonardo Jardim, 38 anos, dá esclarecimentos alongados.É de quem não sabe, diz: Marinakis e a família vivem “rodeados de seguranças”, em permanência.


In Visão

Desilusão… :twisted:

Este vindo para nós pró ano era mel…

Leonardo Jardim e Paulo Fonseca são 2 nomes interessantes e a ter em conta, caso não dê mesmo para buscar o JJ.

E o do Estoril. Qualquer um dos três, com a devida protecção e estrutura profissional à sua volta, me encheria as medidas.

Que trabalho do Paulo Fonseca :clap:

[size=12pt][b]Mourinho acusa FIFA de fraude[/b][/size]

O treinador português diz que não foi à mais recente Gala da FIFA porque várias pessoas lhe ligaram a dizer que votaram nele e que o voto apareceu noutro…
José Mourinho revelou, numa entrevista à RTP, que não marcou presença na mais recente Gala da FIFA porque várias pessoas lhe ligaram a dizer que votaram nele, mas que o voto foi parar a outro treinador.

“Arrependido? Não, de maneira nenhuma. Foi a decisão certa. Quando mais do que uma, duas, três pessoas me ligam a dizer ‘eu votei em ti e o voto apareceu noutro’ eu decidi não ir”, afirmou.

A FIFA já desmentiu José Mourinho através de um curto comentário. “A lista publicada da votação para o prémio de melhor treinador do ano está correta”, podia ler-se.


In O Jogo

No pasa nada :whistle:

Como já falei noutro tópico, o trabalho de Murat Yakin está a ser deveras impressionante.