Treinadores [Discussão]

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Que trabalho do Paulo Fonseca  :clap:
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Mourinho acusa FIFA de fraude

O treinador português diz que não foi à mais recente Gala da FIFA porque várias pessoas lhe ligaram a dizer que votaram nele e que o voto apareceu noutro...
José Mourinho revelou, numa entrevista à RTP, que não marcou presença na mais recente Gala da FIFA porque várias pessoas lhe ligaram a dizer que votaram nele, mas que o voto foi parar a outro treinador.

"Arrependido? Não, de maneira nenhuma. Foi a decisão certa. Quando mais do que uma, duas, três pessoas me ligam a dizer 'eu votei em ti e o voto apareceu noutro' eu decidi não ir", afirmou.

A FIFA já desmentiu José Mourinho através de um curto comentário. "A lista publicada da votação para o prémio de melhor treinador do ano está correta", podia ler-se.
In O Jogo

No pasa nada :whistle:
''Define os objectivos mais altos que conseguires e luta diariamente por eles, como um leão!'' - João Benedito
Como já falei noutro tópico, o trabalho de Murat Yakin está a ser deveras impressionante.
"Se uma equipa de futebol fosse uma empresa de construção civil e o adepto comum um empreiteiro, os trabalhadores não construiriam segundo um projecto, mas trabalhariam incessantemente, colocando tijolos em tudo o que era sítio. Não haveria casa, mas ninguém os poderia acusar de não terem trabalhado."
O treinador do everton também já merecia treinar um grande.
"Sporting! Minha vida é o Sporting, minha paixão é o Sporting, meu amor é o Sporting, é o Sporting é o Sporting é o Sporting! Meu vício é o Sporting, minha família é o Sporting, Sporting, Sporting, Sporting, é o meu Sporting!"
O treinador do everton também já merecia treinar um grande.

 Será uma opção interessante para o Chelsea, isto se não for o destino do José.
“We have to be compact, close together tactically, and if you are close then you have options to play with. You don't always have to try the most risky ball if you are compact. You have to run, to fight, until the moment, and then ... bang, you take it.”

Jurgen Klopp
O treinador do everton também já merecia treinar um grande.
O Everton dele, no topo das suas potencialidades, joga imenso.
Mas sofrem por alguma inconsistência, é daqueles que tanto pode resultar numa equipa maior, como falhar.
"Se uma equipa de futebol fosse uma empresa de construção civil e o adepto comum um empreiteiro, os trabalhadores não construiriam segundo um projecto, mas trabalhariam incessantemente, colocando tijolos em tudo o que era sítio. Não haveria casa, mas ninguém os poderia acusar de não terem trabalhado."
vamos lá desenterrar este tópico que é um crime andar tão esquecido.  ;D

como ando a reler um livro "escrito" pelo Johan Cruyff (relativo ao mundial de 74...) vou aproveitar para ir aqui deixando algumas das frases que me vão ficando.




começo por esta (a propósito do holanda 2 - uruguai 0):

"Penso que jogar futebol é acertar e criar as ocasiões. Marcar golos é uma questão de sorte que já não é futebol. Mas, como a única maneira de ganhar é marcar golos, há que ter sempre, em cada equipa, um ou dois homens com habilidade realizadora suficiente para empurrar a bola para a rede.

Embora, insisto, isto já nada tenha a ver com futebol.
Fazer futebol é combinar com eficácia e profundidade, para criar ocasiões. Marcar golos, como também já disse, depende de muitas outras coisas: sangue-frio, acaso, sorte e falhas do adversário.
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esta frase é uma delícia. é poesia (futeboleira) pura.
poderão dizer-me que é uma utopia, o raciocínio que a mesma encerra. e eu sou capaz de o admitir... mas é uma delícia! 

let us fight until the end. let me try at least that - fight. Pep Guardiola
e agora, para algo completamente diferente (ou talvez não):



The Spanish newspaper El Pais took it upon themselves to find out the reasons behind Dortmund’s success by interviewing Jürgen Klopp. Here is our translation of their interview.

“I don’t want to spend the whole day thinking about things that could still be better than they are” says Jürgen Klopp (Stuttgart, 1967) to explain his compulsive optimism. The Dortmund coach, this year’s Champions League surprise package and German champion in the last two seasons, sports a smile with big teeth and starts to speak.


Question: Why did the philosophy of German football change?

Answer: The obligation of having performance centres was imposed on the clubs: football teachers, better prepared youth coaches and better conditions overall. And those that didn’t have this didn’t get a license for the Bundesliga or the Second Division. That was very useful and now we have an incredible amount of talented players. New promising players arise all the time. We have become braver by playing young kids of 17 years of age. Things have changed so much that now all that we need to change is the aerial game. In the national team, there isn’t a single header of the ball.


Q: And the Bundesliga?

A: It’s fantastic for the spectator. It’s not the best but it is the most attractive league in Europe. It’s going well economically and there’s strong competition. Well, Bayern wins a bit more than the rest but… We have new stadiums too. I’ve been to both stadiums in Seville: they are old and with no comfort.


Q: The tradition of having a sweeper was good for German football?

A: The great evolutionary impulse in the early 90s came with a change that started zonal marked focused on the ball. Man marking wasn’t used anymore. In Germany, up until 1994, if a player moved, you followed him all the way to the bathroom. Zonal marking meant that you didn’t have to limit your game to destroy the opposition’s but rather develop your own game. We took a while to implement 4-4-2.


Q: And the sweepers?

A: They were perfect for their time. We had Beckenbauer, Matthäus and Sammer in 1996. They were young players who played a very intelligent game. However, I insist on the fact that having no creator from the back has been detrimental.


Q: Who was your biggest source of inspiration as a coach?

A: The white ballet, the Real Madrid from a few years ago. Then I thought; “If we add a defensive plan to that footballing potential… I could make it into a perfect team”. And that’s what Barça did.
Things have changed so much that the national team does not have a single header of the ball


Q: Protestantism instills saving and austerity. Do you think that’s why German clubs sign less and the Mediterranean teams throw the money around?

A: The 2006 World Cup was the best possible advertising for Germany. We didn’t know that we could be so carefree, happy and joyful as a country. We had four weeks of Spanish climate and a blue sky. Everyone was happy and everyone loved life. But also, it was in us that we couldn’t spend more than we were earning: even if Dortmund forgot that a couple of years before I arrived. Saving is a typical German feature but it’s not as sad as it seems. We have a lot of fun.


Q: Dortmund was very close to bankruptcy in 2005. Is your team a result of the crisis?

A: When the club had almost been rescued they realised that they had to regain vitality. And then they looked for a coach that was full of life, that played a bright style of football, that had fun, that laughed despite Mainz 05’s relegation… If you don’t have money and, despite everything, you want quality, you have to be brave. We have grown together. Not having money doesn’t mean not being able to carry on working; it just means that you have to find other ways. The club has followed its path with a Second Division coach and a very young team. And we’ve been champions twice, which has surprised us.



Q: Dortmund’s image as a worker’s club is real or is it part of folklore to differentiate yourselves from Bayern?

A: No, the region is like that. This is a genuine football club: like one should imagine it should be. And we love to still be called a club and not a company where they say “today him, and tomorrow someone else”. We like to work as a team with people for a long time. I have been here for four years and my contract is up in 2016. That way, new things can be developed. I now see players of 10 or 13 years of age and I will be coaching them in four years.


Q: Is Bayern still the establishment?

A: Bayern has made incredibly good decisions since the 70s. It’s the richest club in Germany and the healthiest in Europe financially speaking. And it also signs good players and good managers.


Q: Has La Masia suggested a new idea to you?

A: No. We do things our way. Copying is never good. We are the only club in the world that has a Footbanaut [a mechanical device for passing coaching that acts with colour stimulus to handle reaction speed and technique].


Q: How does Dortmund differ from the national team?

A: In the mentality of the players. We are brighter. I am more temperamental than Jogi [Löw]. That’s also my problem, being too emotional. When I arrived in Dortmund I said “If 80,000 people come every other weekend to the stadium and boring football is played, one of the two parts, either the team or the fans, will have to find a new stadium”. Many of our fans travel 500 miles to come and see us and experience something special. You have to go full throttle. We have called it full-throttle football. We wanted to ooze vitality. We would rather hit the bar five times that not shoot on goal four times. It’s better to lose.  That was the beginning. You have to link people to the club. The matches should have an effect that goes further than the result. The whole world knows that you won 3-1 but what they feel is the shot, the goal, the save: that’s what you have inside you all week-long. If you win 1-0 and the game was very lively, football is legitimated. I wouldn’t be interested in having Xavi, Messi and Cristiano in the same team… Being the very best is like if I start playing tennis against a three year-old girl and I’m smashing the ball at her and she’s just standing there with the racket… it’s no fun. However, if there’s a man on the other side and we play table tennis, if I win that’s great and if I lose I will probably have fun. For the fans it’s like a drug. I don’t just want to win, I also want to feel!



Q: Dortmund’s wage bill is less than half than Bayern’s and less than a third than Barça’s or Madrid’s. How do you keep the players?

A: We are talking of 60 or 65 million here. Even Tottenham pays a lot more. However, we are one of the six teams in Europe who can win titles. In Spain, just Barça and Madrid; in England, United, Chelsea and City; in Italy, just Juve. Our young players know that they could earn more money somewhere else but here they can be a part of history. If you go to Barça now you’ll win title after title after title, but they were already champions the 10 years before that.
I’m not interested in who is the best… Who I really enjoy watching is Michu.



Q: Is your style more like Barça or Madrid?

A: Like Barça’s for the pressure. For the high-up defence. Everyone wants to play like Barça but that’s not possible. Barça also couldn’t play like that without Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. However, their defensive plan is perfect. Perhaps that’s also Mourinho’s problem: that even that he’s thought about improving defensively, it has been years since he’s signed a defender because nobody is interested in who plays at the back. We want to be very, very quick with our heads and legs. Everything at full speed. There’s no defence for something that you do fast and precisely.


Q: Why did you give up possession of the ball against Madrid?

A: That day we had the better idea because we knew that they had problems when they had possession of the ball. We knew where they would send the passes, how they would look for Cristiano. Our plan was to leave Xabi Alonso out of the game (sorry Xabi, but that was Plan A), because if Alonso can play like the wants, it’s impossible to defend yourself from Madrid. And Götze covered him up. We knew that if our fullbacks, Piszczek and Schmelzer, moved around a lot; the advantage was on our side regarding Cristiano. If you block Alonso, you make Pepe have the ball all the time. And there is a huge difference there.


Q: Are the players your friends?

A: No. They are my friends but I’m not their friend. That doesn’t work.


Q: Are they afraid of you?

A: I would change that if I could. I’d like to me more relaxed. Well, this thing of the face… I don’t know why it happens. I always clench my teeth. When I see a little boy, a baby, I clench my teeth. It’s horrible and the kid begins to cry and I have to leave. With the referees it’s the same. But when I’m jubilant, there’s a very similar aspect. Sometimes that face scares me but I’ve known it for 45 years. You just learn to live with it. When I play tennis, I hit a right-hander and it also happens.


Q: Are you superstitious?

A: Sometimes, although I don’t have a good memory for it. I forget what I’ve done. For example, tying up by shoelaces, right then left, but the following week I can’t remember how I did it.


Q: Do you feel that your team has got accustomed to the Champions League?

A: We had to offer results internationally so that all the English papers looked at us. Last year we celebrated a double and it didn’t interest anybody. We got 8 points on Bayern, we beat then 5-2 in the Cup final and the whole world said “So what?”. And now that Champions League comes around, we beat Madrid, we beat City and everyone is now looking at us.
Guardiola has to teach us how you do things with players who aren’t as good.


Q: And your favourite player in the whole world?

A: Messi is the best. But there has to be life somewhere out there, someone else on the planet. Because he is too good and we are simply too bad for him. I am not interested in who is the best but in who makes the most out of their own possibilities. Someone who I really enjoy watching is Swansea’s Michu. Nobody knew him and that’s where the thrill lies. Everyone knows the best and everyone knows who is best. But, how is that fascinating?



Q: And the best coach?

A: Del Bosque is a super coach but he has an extraordinary team. It would be interesting to see what he could do with Osasuna. I’m Manager of the Year in Germany but what Christian Streich is doing at Freiburg is incredible. Like I did before at Mainz: we did something really good but it interested no one. The best isn’t always the one with the best team. Anyone could coach my team. Perhaps the players won’t all become masters but to coach them, anyone can do that, they are super-players. If you have a team with little talent and yet you’re successful, then it’s exciting.


Q: What did Guardiola bring to football?

A: The most amazing thing about Barça is with how much will they play. Messi scores and shouts with joy like if it was the first time. Xavi receives every ball like if it was the first one of his life. And you have the feeling that he would like to pick it up, kiss it, look at it and carry on playing. The same with Iniesta. Busquets is the unfriendly one in the middle of the park, the one responsible for the hard work. Puyol is incredible with a terrible haircut, but a super-player nonetheless, a first-class human being with a very big heart. He breaks his elbow and he’s playing again after two weeks. It’s the motivation that they play with in order to win. In that aspect, they are role models. I read an interview with Xavi. They asked him if he wanted to be a coach and he said “Don’t go that fast, let me enjoy my playing career first”. And you think “You’ve been playing football every two days for 20 years and you still want to carry on?” That says everything about his game but also about Xavi. They are the best in the world. And that has been boosted by Pep, clearly. He has done an excellent job but he won’t always have players like that at every club, and he knows that. Now he has to show us how it’s done when the players aren’t as good.

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« Última modificação: Julho 12, 2014, 15:36 pm por bukowski »
let us fight until the end. let me try at least that - fight. Pep Guardiola
Klopp é um personagem sem paralelo.

Grande entrevista, gostei particularmente deste trecho:
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Q: How does Dortmund differ from the national team?

A: In the mentality of the players. We are brighter. I am more temperamental than Jogi [Löw]. That’s also my problem, being too emotional. When I arrived in Dortmund I said “If 80,000 people come every other weekend to the stadium and boring football is played, one of the two parts, either the team or the fans, will have to find a new stadium”. Many of our fans travel 500 miles to come and see us and experience something special. You have to go full throttle. We have called it full-throttle football. We wanted to ooze vitality. We would rather hit the bar five times that not shoot on goal four times. It’s better to lose.  That was the beginning. You have to link people to the club. The matches should have an effect that goes further than the result. The whole world knows that you won 3-1 but what they feel is the shot, the goal, the save: that’s what you have inside you all week-long. If you win 1-0 and the game was very lively, football is legitimated. I wouldn’t be interested in having Xavi, Messi and Cristiano in the same team… Being the very best is like if I start playing tennis against a three year-old girl and I’m smashing the ball at her and she’s just standing there with the racket… it’s no fun. However, if there’s a man on the other side and we play table tennis, if I win that’s great and if I lose I will probably have fun. For the fans it’s like a drug. I don’t just want to win, I also want to feel!

Ler mais: http://www.forumscp.com/index.php?topic=49643.40#ixzz37GeBczut

Identifico-me plenamento com isto.
- You're a real stone player, aren't you, Ma? You threatened to smother his children.
- What does that mean?
- You know, everyone thought Dad was the ruthless one. But I gotta hand it to you. If you'd been born after those feminists, you woulda been the real gangster.
- I don't know what you're talking about!
a entrevista tem pormenores muito interessantes. coloquei a bold o que achei mais interessante.

o tipo tem tanto de genial como de "louco".
gostava imenso de ler este livro, mas só encontro em alemão...  :-\

let us fight until the end. let me try at least that - fight. Pep Guardiola
a entrevista tem pormenores muito interessantes. coloquei a bold o que achei mais interessante.

o tipo tem tanto de genial como de "louco".
gostava imenso de ler este livro, mas só encontro em alemão...  :-\



All or nothing... não há escolas alemãs aí na tua zona?  :twisted:
- You're a real stone player, aren't you, Ma? You threatened to smother his children.
- What does that mean?
- You know, everyone thought Dad was the ruthless one. But I gotta hand it to you. If you'd been born after those feminists, you woulda been the real gangster.
- I don't know what you're talking about!
tenho pancas, mas não iria tão longe por um livro.  ;D

português, inglês, castelhano e francês. mais do que isto... não chego lá.
e muito do francês vem da revista onze (depois onze mondial), que lia quando era mais chavalo.
let us fight until the end. let me try at least that - fight. Pep Guardiola
Klopp está para mim num lote completamente diferente dos outros treinadores.

É um gênio, mexe com uma equipa, cria uma equipa a partir do nada. Pena instabilidade que as suas equipas levam, seja por vendas ou por lesões que já o podia ter posto numa conquista da Champions League.
"Sporting! Minha vida é o Sporting, minha paixão é o Sporting, meu amor é o Sporting, é o Sporting é o Sporting é o Sporting! Meu vício é o Sporting, minha família é o Sporting, Sporting, Sporting, Sporting, é o meu Sporting!"
Recomendo a leitura do seguinte livro:


Aprende-se muita coisa sobre o mundo do futebol, o mundo dos treinadores, a relação dos treinadores com jogadores, entre outras coisas.  :great:
Já li e é muito muito bom. Mais que recomendado.
Bom tópico. Curiosamente, apanhei hoje as declarações de Philipp Lahm sobre Klinsmann, Rudi Völler, Van Gaal e Felix Magath escritas em 2011, aquando da sua autobiografia. Não são nada meigas, especialmente para Klinsi e para o holandês.

Sobre Klinsmann:
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"All the players knew after about eight weeks that it was not going to work out with Klinsmann," he writes. "The remainder of that campaign was nothing but limiting the damage." It soon became clear that "the Klinsmann experiment had failed."

While stating that "Klinsmann was the shining hero of the 2006 World Cup when Bayern took him on," Lahm quickly adds weight to the long-held belief that it was in fact Klinsmann's assistant, current Germany coach Joachim Löw, who was the tactical genius behind Germany's run to the semi-finals in the 2006 tournament.

"We practically only practiced fitness under Klinsmann, there was very little technical instruction and the players themselves discussed the way they would play a game before the match," Lahm writes. He re-uses an anecdote from former Bayern defender Zé Roberto to emphasis Klinsmann's tactical naivety. The Brazilian reveals that a half-time talk by Klinsmann toward the end of his reign consisted of only: "You have to score a goal."


Lahm, who - a two-year loan at VfB Stuttgart aside - has been at Bayern since he joined as a 12-year-old in 1995, confirms that Klinsmann soon alienated the players and club management at Bayern with his unorthodox approach to coaching and preparation, which included yoga and the building of a meditation garden at the club's training complex. As his reign came to an end, more and more players went public with their frustration at his tactics.

Sobre Van Gaal:
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"Louis van Gaal can be credited for implementing a playing philosophy, which made us very successful in the first season," Lahm writes. "But he refused to acknowledge the deficits of his philosophy in the second season and he refused to eliminate them."
"Our game was completely geared towards offense and this saw us concede a lot of goals in Van Gaal's second year," Lahm adds. "I pointed out some of our areas of concern to Van Gaal and he listened to me, but then he would do what he wanted to do.

Sobre Magath e Völler, as considerações não têm um teor tão forte, mas podem ser encontradas aqui.

Gostava que, quando terminasse a sua carreira, pudesse escrever outro livro com a sua perspectiva de Guardiola e Heynckes.
«Já nós, que destruímos João Rocha, que ignorámos Jaime Duarte, que fomos na conversa do «notável» Sousa Cintra e que agora traímos Bruno de Carvalho, só merecemos definhar e desaparecer, porque somos um clube sem personalidade, onde somos manipulados pelos notáveis e destruímos sempre os candidatos que representam o verdadeiro povo.» Por @Gluf
Essas declaracoes do Lahm trazem pouco de novo do que se dizia desse treinadores:

O Klinsman ja era conhecido pelos seus nao ortodoxos metodos de treino, mas a esse nivel pesquisem por Phil Jackson (o mitico NBA manager) e verao que esses metodos sao usados nos desportos americanos desde os anos 90 e agora imitados por outros treinadores. A ideia que um desportista relaxado e centrado pode ter melhor performance e' cientifica seja com musica, yoga ou outro sistema qualquer. Nos EUA o Klinsmann e' conhecido por ser um treinador quase minimalista nos seus metodos de treino e os resulltados nao tem sido maus.

O LVG e' outro estilo, autoritario, teimoso , estupidamente exigente mas justo. Os resultados falam por si  e voces vao ver o United este ano!

O Felix Magath sempre foi conhecido por um nazi. Um LVG exagerado....

O Voeller como treinador nao fez historia.
por acaso o livro do sir alex nunca me atraiu muito. vou dar-lhe então uma oportunidade.  :great:
let us fight until the end. let me try at least that - fight. Pep Guardiola
por acaso o livro do sir alex nunca me atraiu muito. vou dar-lhe então uma oportunidade.  :great:

Vale a pena amigo!

Então eu como adepto do United, adorei mesmo o livro!
Já agora, existe já alguma informação acerca do futuro imediato deste senhor?

Depois de uma tempestade, vem sempre a bonança. A bonança teima em não chegar...

... parece que os ventos estão a mudar!