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Analysis: Why Marseille have reason to be hopeful under Bielsa’s tactics

Widely adored, tactically astute and an inspiration to hopefuls. Marcelo Bielsa has become the ‘ambassador’ of attention to detail in football. Aakriti Mehrotra analyses the Argentinian boss and what his appointment means for his new club Marseille.

Olympique de Marseille had a very underwhelming season last time out. They finished the league in sixth position and without European football to offer in the next edition. It was almost strange that their sub-par campaign was well, so sub-par. They started the season extremely well, with six wins on the trot. They finished the season decently; their last six results read WWWWLD. It was the bad run in the middle, which constituted alternative losses and wins on too many occasions that eventually cost a good Marseille team, a European berth.

Marseille are in a league that possesses two big-money spending clubs. But at the beginning of the season, the club was tipped by many to be a dark horse for the title, or finish in the top 3. Unfortunately, the French club disappointed and gave their fans very little to cheer about. Marseille were widely praised for their signings during the summer transfer window. The likes of Payet, Thauvin, Imbula and Khalifa were all expected to have a big impact and help drive the club towards a potential title. The huge disappointment was Dimitri Payet, who was brought in from Lille, the exciting winger, who is criminally unknown to European football lovers (Carlo Ancelotti wanted to bring in Payet ahead of Fernando Torres in that particular transfer window). However, Payet failed to deliver for his new team as OM fans had expected him to. He managed eight goals and six assists in 36 league games, which is not a particularly bad feat, but when compared to the 12 goals and 13 assists in 38 league matches in the previous season, it can be understood why Marseille fans were so disappointed.

Andre Ayew and Andre Pierre Gignac were the two players who performed really well for the French club though and were the positives. Thauvin did well, as the youngster experienced his first season at a top club. Mathieu Valbuena was surprisingly not as effective for Baup or Anigo like they would have hoped. He did well in the former part of the campaign but became very inconsistent in the new year.

The defence was Marseille’s glaring weakness. The performances from the back were not convincing and much more was expected from Nkoulou, Diawara and Morel. Even though statistics show that the club conceded 40 goals, which is not such a bad figure per se, the back-line was not solid for most parts and 4-1 losses to lowly Valenciennes (who got relegated to Ligue 2 at the end of the season) illustrate this point.

At the end of the season, and after the team went through the entire campaign under two managers, the mood was understandably depressing. A Champions League campaign which ended in embarrassment as the Mediterranean side failed to pick up a single point (a first, for a former champion), no domestic cups and a bad finish in the league, it is understandable why fans wanted interim manager Anigo’s head. The Sporting Director of the club had stepped in as the interim coach after Baup’s sacking and was subjected to some very cruel words by the fans. Outside the club’s training facility, there was a graffiti drawn by a fan which read ‘Why Adri and not Jose?’, which basically claimed why Anigo was not dead instead of his son Adrien, who was killed in a suspected gang-related shooting in 2013. The mood of the city and the locals so passionate about their football was this sinister and depressing. But no more.

El Loco has arrived

The Phoceens fans have been very enthusiastic about Marcelo Bielsa’s arrival. Suddenly, the glitches of last season are forgotten and everyone is hoping the magical Argentine can give the fans something to cheer about this season, the first one in 10 years where the club is without European football. Expectations are already high. In fact, with news of Bielsa’s imminent signature started doing rounds, the Provence side already started playing better. When the Argentine watched on from the stands as Marseille beat Montpellier in April, the media began discussing ‘the Bielsa effect’ (much to the annoyance of Anigo)

Fans are excited. The ‘Make Us Dream’ feeling is all around the Mediterranean club and for the first time in a while, the Marseille faithful looked forward to the pre-season this much. Bielsa has become holier for the fans after a successful pre-season that includes a 4-1 victory over Bayer Leverkusen and a 2-1 win over Benfica.


The Bielsa effect has been on the transfer front as well. The club has bought Romain Alessandrini (from Rennes) and Belgian star Michy Batshuayi (from Standard Liege). These two additions have reinforced the club’s attack. There hasn’t been a mass exodus. Mathieu Valbuena has left for Dynamo Moscow, Jordan Ayew has moved to Lorient and last season’s flop signing Saber Khalifa has joined Club Africain on loan.

Marclo Bielsa, nicknamed ‘El Loco’ is not called mad without reason. The line between right and wrong is very thin and it’s the same with mad and genius. The Argentine is known for his attention to detail- he has a vast library of match videos, he uses statistics, he responds to every question in his press conference and even checks pitch dimensions with a tape. Genius? At Athletic Bilbao, he ensured water was put on the pitch in patches, so as to curb Barcelona’s smooth and effective tiki-taka game. Mad?

Bielsa is a master tactician. The work he did with Chile is commended till date. Both defence and attack are worked on intricately and separately, and it is visible during the course of the match. He uses an approach which looks to cut the time taken in transition between his separate approaches in defence and attack- an idea that Pep Guardiola took from him (Guardiola called him “the best manager in the world” – 2012) and implemented at Barcelona.

The Argentine prefers a 3-3-1-3/3-6-1 or 3-3-3-1 formation. The 4 defensive players comprise the three defenders and the defensive midfielder and the 6 attacking players comprise the two wing backs and the attackers. Basically, the idea is to hold a very high defensive line, and try and play the game as much in the opponent’s half as you can. He has worked with this with Chile, Athletic Bilbao and we saw him use the latter in the warm-ups as well. The two full backs move further into the second third of the pitch and operate alongside the central midfielder. They also help the wingers or the wide forwards and also move upwards, creating much trouble for the opposite full back. He is known to employ the ‘un enganche y tres punta’ (one playmaker and three forwards) system. However, these forwards don’t necessarily have to be strikers. Wide forwards, wingers and attacking midfielders have been seen as playing further up-front and complimenting the main striker for the team.

He loves the use of crosses and one expects the likes of Ayew and Payet to be asked to cross the ball more than they did last season. The attacking midfielder has an essential role in Bielsa’s system. Thauvin did well for himself last season but this campaign is the one where he needs to make a name for himself. There are a lot of rumors about clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal launching bids for one of the hottest young prospects in French football. But the player himself should look to stay as he can prove to be a key member in Bielsa’s plans for OM’s redemption season. The Argentine asks his No.10 to continuously move forward and move into the box to deal with the incoming crosses and bury any chances which are being created by the rest of the team and assume the role of the second striker. The player should look to beat defenders with speed and dribbles. He should most importantly, move in and out of the area which is being overloaded to create space for the other attackers. The heart of the pitch constitutes three players and is the heartbeat of Bielsa’s philosophy (this include the full-backs). These players start attacks, help the defenders deal with the opposition and keep the momentum of the game going. Technically, they are the most important part of Bielsa’s system of cutting the time between defence and attack. The chemistry and the swift passing between the team will be a treat to watch in Marseille, if Bielsa can get what he had at Bilbao and Chile going at the French club.

He has often played players out of position (eg: Oscar de Marcos and Javi Martinez at Bilbao) and in the warm-ups, he employed midfielders Alaixys Romao and Mario Lemina as centre backs, and the two looked quite impressive.

However, the best part about Bielsa’s strategy is that he recognizes the importance of the swift movement off the ball and fast passing to catch opponents in vulnerable positions, but gives enough importance in retaining possession. Combine effective “tiki-taka” and counter-attacking football. Wouldn’t you have something absolutely lethal?

The other good thing about him is that he is flexible with his approach. It is not certain that he will use this 3-3-1-3 approach against sides like PSG. The Argentine moulds his tactics according to the opposition and as said before, he is very detailed with the research about his opposition. When the 3-3-1-3 model didn’t work with Bilbao, Bielsa changed to a 4-3-3 familiar system.

Of course, his managerial career has not been perfect so far. One major disappointment has been Argentina’s dismal 2002 World Cup campaign. Despite arriving as one of the favourites, Argentina failed to qualify from the group stage. One of the reasons cited for it has been fatigue players carried into the tournament which rendered them unable in fulfilling the extremely physical demands of the Bielsa system.

Though Marsellie fans are right in being so enthusiastic about his arrival, the 59 year old can’t expect a ‘bedding-in’ period at the club as patience is a word which hardly means anything to the Phoceens. A finish outside the top 4 will be considered a disappointment, given there are no European distractions. The club should try and make life (a little) difficult for big-spending arch rivals PSG and ensure that the upcoming season is not a one-horse or a two-horse race, involving only teams who spend to win. If history is anything to go by, Bielsa’s new team will fare well in his tenure and more importantly, the foundations for the future will be built in the time-being.

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Why are Marseille flying high in Ligue 1? A major tactical breakdown:

After their early jitters, Marseille are the form team in Ligue 1, currently on a run of seven straight wins and five points clear at the top of the table. They have been resurrected by new boss Marcelo Bielsa, whose strict attention to detail and authoritative style have seen L’OM reap the rewards so far, playing some of the best football in France. So what has “El Loco” changed about Marseille that has made them so much more effective, especially considering that the basis of the squad remains the same from an abysmal 2013-2014 campaign?

Under Elie Baup, the team finished an impressive second in his first year but drifted significantly in during the subsequent campaign, in both seasons’ adopting a focus on a solid base in midfield, but struggling to find the correct attacking configuration to become the free-scoring side that they have become under their new coach. They rode their luck on occasions, sneaking wins with just a one-goal margin on eighteen occasions, but that luck eventually ran out as teams began to adopt a less conservative approach when playing Marseille, more confident of crafting attacks without feeling exposed at the back.

L’OM would usually set up with a 4-2-3-1 which appeared, on the face of it, as a safe setup that was essentially split into two. With a relatively flat back four and two holding midfielders installed, they would generally hold the fort barring the occasional foray forward from the full-backs, but the attacking quartet was usually left to attack together. However, following considerable investment in the summer of 2013 and with the club being 13 points adrift of PSG, Baup was fired and the then Sporting Director Jose Anigo was installed in the interim leading up to the culmination of the 2013-14 campaign. The club would only go on to win two games in a row once for the rest of the season and Anigo, almost like a kid in a sweetie shop, began a series of repeatedly catastrophic tactical tinkering sessions in which he played around with different formations so often that Marseille no longer possessed a footballing identity.

The defence that stood so strong the season before was utterly short of confidence; they managed just four clean sheets in 22 games under Anigo and would only win eight games in that very time period. They were far more adventurous going forward but that was due to the fact that they were often chasing score-lines for the vast majority of their fixtures. Gone were the days of the tepid 1-0 conquests under Baup. Transfers that Jose Anigo had orchestrated, like those of Dimitri Payet, Saber Khalifa and Florian Thauvin struggled to make an impact, often at all, with Thauvin looking perhaps the most promising.

Speculation of Bielsa’s possible arrival began to foment at the end of the season, but the rumour really became a possibility after he attended OM’s league fixture against Montpellier, spelling the inevitable and self-accepted end to Anigo’s end as boss. The fans had turned on him quickly, his antics had ultimately failed to change what mattered: league position. Fresh ideas plucked from thin air were no longer helpful nor necessary, a coherent philosophy and style was what L’OM needed to take themselves forward and to re-identify themselves as the self-proclaimed “Big Club” in France.

Low and behold, a distinctive Argentine famed for his tactical individuality and with a proven track record at Athletic Bilbao and Chile. Bielsa had every intention of implementing an exciting brand of football on this squad of players and Marseille have certainly been playing far more in their opponents’ halves than over the course of the previous two seasons. In defence, Bielsa has been happy to concede slight slips of concentration in this early stage of the project so long as this has been coupled by a professional and vast work ethic. Jeremy Morel’s resurgence is a prime example of that.

High pressing has been installed and the squad is in far better physical shape than it has been previously. Winning the ball higher up the field usually catches the opponent out of position and some of Ligue 1’s younger or less talented players have fallen foul to Marseille’s counter-attacking efficacy. Bielsa prefers to play with three central defenders, a holding midfielder who can drop back when needed, two out-and-out wingbacks, a more creative midfielder behind three attack-minded players.

That’s the system that he chose to deploy in his first few games in charge but much like Marseille has had to adapt to Bielsa, El Loco has had to adapt to the players at his disposal at L’OM. It became quickly obvious that the team lacked the necessary the strength in depth in the central defensive position, and, frankly, the required quality for such a formation to have a consistent and lasting success. This combined with some undoubtedly culture-shock related early season injuries forced Bielsa to return to a more familiar formation. One must devote considerable praise to Bielsa for his open-mindedness and tactical intelligence in accepting early on that his initial system was simply not going to be successful when taking into account the characters at his disposal. One only has to look at Manchester United’s van Gaal who persisted for far longer with a central defensive trifecta.

However, with the ideas that Bielsa has brought to the table, the outfit are playing much more attractive football which is lighting up the now completed Stade Velodrome on a bi-weekly basis. They have scored 23 goals so far this season, eight more than anyone else in the division, whilst only conceding three since their poor start of conceding five times when deploying a back three.

The confidence he has instilled in his players to consistently push forward in order to be dangerous but also dominate more unequivocally is statistically evident, with OM in control of the ball as much time in the defensive third, at 28%, as they are in the attacking third. That intent seems to have surprised some teams in Ligue 1 who prefer a lower-tempo event and the in-your-face attitude brought by the South Coast side has led Marseille to simply crush the league’s weaker teams who struggle to contain their aggressively attacking intent. This tactic is apparent in the mentality that Bielsa has seemingly installed in his players: there is a far more “envie”, as the French would say, in the eyes of the most crucial members of the squad. A hunger to succeed now exists in a team who finally have faith in their manager.

On a more individualistic level, the changes have positively affected the form of several of the Marseille contingent and that is no more evident than in the case of Andre-Pierre Gignac. He has been nothing short of outstanding so far this season, scoring nine goals with 3.9 shots per game with 58% of his attempts on target. He is currently scoring a little over a goal a game and has taken the added responsibility of the fulcrum of the attack in his stride. He is now dependable; the man who adds a finish to their newfound attacking edge and his contributions have either catalysed their excellent run or typified it- the answer frankly remains unclear because of the relatively early stage of the season that we currently find ourselves in.

Other players have shown vast improvements as well. Dimitri Payet looks like the player that the club bought from Lille even whilst playing in a central role and gives the team more offensive options than ever. Giannelli Imbula looks much more settled, and has shown his capabilities both as a holding player and as a marauding attacking force with a lethal shot. Jeremy Morel, who was seen as disposable during the summer, has really reinvented himself to the point where it will be difficult to oust him from his new centre-back position.

It could however be argued that some players are still adapting to the new playing style and are yet to shine quite as brightly as they might have done. It could be that the surrounding attacking players are simply carrying themselves in a more resourceful way but Florian Thauvin has yet to hit the heights of last season where at times he looked like the team’s best player. He is getting plenty of opportunities but is lacking the finishing touches, both in terms of carving out dangerous crosses and in front of goal. Super-sub Romain Alessandrini must be wondering what more he will have to do to convince Bielsa that he deserves a starting spot instead.

In all, it has been a fantastic start, and the aforementioned alterations have elevated this team to another level but whether they can maintain that success is another question entirely. Marcelo Bielsa’s high-pressing style demands a lot from his players and whilst the team do not have the extra distraction of European football to contend with this season, it is difficult to imagine that this brutal dominance can last forever, at least in its current form. Bielsa’s demands have previously taken their toll on a club in the long run but the fundamental foundations laid down by the Argentine provide the squad with the necessary infrastructure to excel and that is not to say that Bielsa cannot gently adapt his style to help conserve his team’s energy during the long season.

This dominance is also looking more impressive because of the weaker performances from the big teams around them, with both Paris Saint-Germain and Monaco showing indifferent form and other than the other surprise team so far in Bordeaux, L’OM have little competition at the top. They have also had a soft early schedule, having played just one team currently sitting in the top eight, a team they actually lost to in the form of Montpellier, so it could be argued that their success is inflated by the calibre of opponents they are facing.

The real big tests will come over the next month as games against Toulouse, Lyon, PSG and Bordeaux will give us a clearer picture as to whether this team is as good as they have shown in the early stages of the Ligue 1 season. There is no doubt that they have been terrific so far and they have a real chance of competing with Les Parisiens for that coveted title. PSG have had some considerable blips and suffered from a bad World Cup hangover. The ball is now in PSG’s court to match Marseille, a dynamic few expected at the start of the season.

Even if they finish second, then the first stage of Bielsa’s job will be complete in terms of getting Marseille back into the Champions League. With some investment, a bigger squad and the progression of the young players that are currently at his disposal, they could even become a force in France again but while nobody can deny how impressive their start has been, we are merely talking about a snapshot in time. League titles are never won in two months, let alone in 90 minutes.

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Re: Treinadores [Discussão] , « Resposta #181 em: Novembro 02, 2014, 13:51 »


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Quais sao para voces os melhores treinadores da actualidade? Na
escolha da minha lista, tentei levar em conta sucesso sustentado ao
longo do tempo; sucesso em diversas equipas; e a qualidade estetica do
modelo de jogo. Aqui fica a minha lista:

1 - Guardiola: Para la de ter obtido grande sucesso, a postura tactica
das suas equipas tem revolucionado o futebol. As suas equipas tem uma
qualidade de posse de bola impar; grande aproveitamento do espaco em
organizacao ofensiva; fortissimas a nivel de pressao alta; e
geralmente combinam isso com boa solidez defensiva, especialmente a
nivel de impedir contra-ataques, o que sera sempre o ponto fraco de
uma equipa que assuma o jogo como as equipas do Guardiola. Foi o
Guardiola que mostrou ao mundo como usar muitos criativos ao mesmo
tempo, sem com isso perder o controlo de jogo ou se expor demasiado
defensivamente. O futebol ficou mais interessante e expectacular!

2 - Klopp: Conseguiu ganhar o campeonato duas vezes ao todo-poderoso
Bayern com uma equipa com menos recursos. Apos esses dois anos de ouro
internamente, tem conseguido refazer a equipa, apesar de perder varias
pecas fulcrais. Conseguiu muito bons resultados na Europa, incluindo
um banho de bola ao Mourinho. Nao tenho tanta experiencia de ver o
Dortmund a jogar, mas parece-me que emprega um modelo de jogo
"vertiginoso", com pressao alta fortissima ("gegenpressing") e ataques
muito rapidos. O Dortmund tem estado numa ma fase neste inicio de
epoca, mas provavelmente recuperara.

3 - Mourinho: Continua a ser muito forte na motivacao dos seus
jogadores, mas parece-me que a nivel de organizacao tactica das suas
equipas e, em especial, a nivel de jogo em organizacao ofensiva, ja
nao e' o melhor do mundo como foi entre 2004 e 2007 (Porto e primeira
passagem pelo Chelsea). Nos ultimos anos, em jogos contra equipas de
qualidade equivalente, as suas equipas tem defendido atras e apostado
no contra-ataque. Espero que este ano, com a maior qualidade
individual do  Chelsea, o Mourinho possa voltar a tentar impor um
modelo mais dominador, mas o jogo contra o City nao me deu boas
indicacoes.

4 - Ancelotti: O seu sucesso com diversas equipas, especialmente na
Europa, e' indiscutivel. Nao me parece que tenha um modelo de jogo
muito definido - ao invez, parece-me um treinador inteligente, que
adapta a forma de jogar da sua equipa aos seus melhores jogadores.
Gabo-lhe que nao tenha tido medo de apostar em muitos jogadores
criativos ao mesmo tempo, e mantido equilibrio defensivo. Em resultado
disso, os jogos do seu Real tem sido espetaculares a nivel ofensivo. O
seu Real nao e' capaz de competir a nivel de dominio territorial e
posse de bola com o Bayern e o Barca, mas nos ultimos jogos contra
esses adversarios conseguiu mesmo assim ser-lhes superior a nivel de
oportunidades. Um ponto que me deixa de pe atras e' nao me parecer ter
uma personalidade muito forte, e por isso me parecer que 'as vezes poe
jogadores tendo em base quem o presidente quer que jogue (e quem
custou mais dinheiro).

5 - Bielsa: Tem tido sucesso em varias equipas, sempre implantando um
modelo de jogo muito ofensivo, com muita pressao alta e futebol
ofensivo. Acho que tera sido o pioneiro de algumas das ideias que
agora sao usadas por Guardiola, Klopp, etc. Mas nunca teve ainda a
oportunidade de treinar um colosso, e logo nao da para avaliar se
mereceria estar mais acima nesta lista.

De fora da minha lista:

Wenger: As suas equipas tem conseguido jogar bom futebol ao longo dos
anos, apesar de geralmente ter gasto menos dinheiro que os seus
rivais. Mas as suas equipas, especialmente nos ultimos anos, tem sido
muito permeaveis defensivamente, especialmente nos jogos mais duros.

Conte: Fez um grande trabalho a nivel interno. A sua Juve era
imbativel em italia, e jogava um futebol ofensivo e dominador, num
sistema pouco usual fora de Italia (352/343). Mas a sua Juve baqueou
claramente na Europa, logo 'e dificil de dizer se o seu modelo de jogo
podera ter sucesso fora de Italia, que hoje ja nao e' um campeonato de
top.

Van Gaal: Nao me parece que as suas equipas tenham organizacao que
justifique a sua arrogancia. No Mundial beneficiou de um Robben em
grande forma, de eliminatorias relativamente faceis ate 'as meias, e
de um Brasil completamente desorganizado no jogo de terceiro e quarto
lugar. Quando chegou ao Man U, tentou implantar o seu 3-5-2/3-4-3, e
foi um completo fiasco. Depois durante uns jogos insistiou de uma
equipa de muita tracao 'a frente (Van Persie, Falcao, Rooney/Mata) e a
sua equipa continuou mt desiquilibrada. Parece-me ter comecado a ser
mais pragmatico na semana passada contra o Chelsea, mas nao me parece
que esteja ao nivel dos melhores.

Capello: As suas equipas sempre foram muito solidas defensivamente,
mas nao me parece que tenha acompanhado os ultimos desenvolvimentos do
pos "Guardiola."

Hiddink: Outro que ja nao tem obtido grande sucesso ha algum tempo.
Provavelmente tambem ultrapassado.

Mencoes Honrosa:

Alex Ferguson: Sei que 'e um bocado anatema, mas mesmo se o Sir Alex
ainda estivesse em actividade, nao sei se o poria no meu top 5. Era
grande a nivel de motivacao, e conseguiu que as suas equipas fossem
sempres fortes internamente durante decadas e competitivas na Europa.
Mas nao me parece que o seu modelo de jogo fosse tao forte como o dos
treinadores na lista, e varias vezes em jogos grandes acabava por
reverter em jogar atras e explorar o contra-ataque. Talvez esteja a
ser injusto - foram 20 anos sempre ao mais alto nivel.

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Re: Treinadores [Discussão] , « Resposta #183 em: Novembro 21, 2014, 15:42 »



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Re: Treinadores [Discussão] , « Resposta #184 em: Novembro 21, 2014, 15:56 »



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É uma boa pergunta, para a qual ainda não encontrei a resposta...

Há treinadores de que eu gosto mais e menos. Há alguns que ganham mais que os outros, mas nem por isso gosto mais deles (que dos outros, entendo-se). Mas competência reconheço-lhes. Sempre.

Tal como o Jardim é competente pelos resultados, também o Vítor é competente pelos resultados. Pessoalmente, em termos de estilo, gosto mais do segundo. Que já teve oportunidade de trabalhar com outras condições (de candidato) e não falhou.

Mas a competência, lá está, está lá. Difícil argumentar contra "isto". Só pela boa ou má imprensa se justificam algumas diferenças de tratamentos. Uns são magos da táctica, outros são fracos... para mim são os 2 competentes.
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Re: Treinadores [Discussão] , « Resposta #185 em: Novembro 21, 2014, 23:45 »



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mini entrevista do record ao vitor pereira:

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R – Esteve recentemente uma semana em Munique a acompanhar de perto o trabalho do Bayern. Com que ideia ficou?

VP – Com a ideia de que o Guardiola é um treinador que nunca está satisfeito com aquilo que faz. E eu identifico-me um bocadinho com essa forma de pensar. A única coisa que interessa é fazer o que ainda não está feito. É como se eu quisesse ver o jogo que nunca vi jogar. É ter a necessidade de, mesmo ganhando, chegar ao fim e pensar: “Não era isto que eu queria. Era muito mais.”

R – Ganhar já não chega?

VP – Não, não chega. Descobrir coisas novas é o que mais sentido faz para um treinador. Ainda agora em Munique almoçámos juntos, a convite dele, no Hotel Kempinski. Bom, às tantas, começámos a falar da nossa profissão e aquela mesa, entre copos e talheres, parecia um campo de futebol! (risos) Ele já misturava o espanhol com o catalão, e tive de lhe dizer: “Calma, mais devagar, que assim eu não consigo acompanhar… (risos, de novo) A capacidade de raciocínio dele é uma coisa impressionante. Pensa muito à frente. O Bayern joga um futebol fantástico e não é só pela capacidade dos jogadores, é também pelos princípios de jogo. E aquilo parece fácil, não é? Ponham lá outras equipas a fazer o mesmo…

R – O Neuer a líbero e o Lahm a jogar no meio eram coisas difíceis de imaginar.

VP – Pois eram. Mas não para ele. O Lahm sempre como linha de passe, fantástico! O Pep é muito engraçado durante os treinos. Está sempre a criar qualquer coisa. Às vezes chama miúdos da formação. Quatro ou cinco de uma vez. E tem uma preocupação permanente, mesmo com miúdos franzinos, que jogam ali no meio. No final do treino vinha ter comigo e falar sobre esses miúdos. E dizia: “Viste o talento? Viste a qualidade do miúdo?” Sempre, sempre à procura do talento, de um pormenor que pode vir a fazer a diferença..

A única coisa que quer é fazer o que ainda não foi feito. O futebol de Guardiola é uma coisa fantástica!
R – Conseguiu perceber onde é que o Bayern falhou naquela meia-final da Champions com o Real Madrid, na época passada?

VP – Por acaso discutimos isso. E eu disse-lhe exatamente aquilo que penso: “Pep, em determinados jogos continuas a expor a tua linha defensiva no momento da transição.”

R – Ele concordou?

VP – Continuei a dizer-lhe. “Pep, está a acontecer-te isto, isto e isto. Esta é a minha opinião. Se quiseres, reflete”. Ele concordou e respondeu-me: “Tens razão. Já percebi isso. Mas ando à procura de um exercício que me permita resolver o problema”. Eu disse-lhe: “Vou dar-te uma sugestão. Se aceitares, aqui está. É assim”. E dei-lhe um exercício, explicando-lhe que já tinha sentido aquele mesmo problema em equipas minhas e que tinha resolvido daquela forma. “Resulta de certeza absoluta”, expliquei-lhe. “Nunca tinha pensado nisso”, diz-me o Pep.

R – Até que…

VP – No dia seguinte chego ao treino e vem o Manuel Estiarte, adjunto dele, ter comigo: “Vítor, o que deste ao homem? O que deste ao Pep? Passou toda a tarde fechado no gabinete, parecia que lhe tinham dado um brinquedo…” De seguida aparece ele e diz-me: “Vítor, Vítor, vais ver o treino? Hoje vou começar a fazer o que me disseste”. Mas como é um génio, que nunca está satisfeito, foi ainda mais longe: “Se calhar, pegando na tua ideia, ainda dá para colocar isto aqui e aquilo ali”. Ou seja, acabou por adaptar a ideia à forma de jogar da equipa dele. Tem uma capacidade fora do comum.
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 Bem que podia ter deixado no ar qual seria a ideia. Agora assim é que não Vitinho!  Evil


 Quem acompanha minimamente o Pep, sabe que é um treinador sempre inconformado. Foi por isso que saiu do Barcelona, por não conseguir inovar e progredir dentro daquele grupo, naquele ambiente, naquele clube. Fez uma escolha inteligente, um clube que lhe dá tudo o que precisa, quando assim é, pode preocupar-se apenas com o jogo.

 Adoro esta necessidade de evoluir, de inovar diariamente, de procurar sempre fazer o que nunca fizeram, procurar ir mais longe do que alguma vez alguém foi. Não se acomodar ao que tem, mas sim ter a necessidade de mais e melhor. É realmente um dos melhores do Mundo, não tenho dúvidas.
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O Vítor já começa a cair no ridiculo com esta faceta de "teórico e estudioso do futebol.".


Curioso para ver o que faz com uma equipa agora que até exercícios de treino aconselha ao Guardiola.


Vai-te a eles Bitò.


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R – Esteve recentemente uma semana em Munique a acompanhar de perto o trabalho do Bayern. Com que ideia ficou?

VP – Com a ideia de que o Guardiola é um treinador que nunca está satisfeito com aquilo que faz. E eu identifico-me um bocadinho com essa forma de pensar. A única coisa que interessa é fazer o que ainda não está feito. É como se eu quisesse ver o jogo que nunca vi jogar. É ter a necessidade de, mesmo ganhando, chegar ao fim e pensar: “Não era isto que eu queria. Era muito mais.”

R – Ganhar já não chega?

VP – Não, não chega. Descobrir coisas novas é o que mais sentido faz para um treinador. Ainda agora em Munique almoçámos juntos, a convite dele, no Hotel Kempinski. Bom, às tantas, começámos a falar da nossa profissão e aquela mesa, entre copos e talheres, parecia um campo de futebol! (risos) Ele já misturava o espanhol com o catalão, e tive de lhe dizer: “Calma, mais devagar, que assim eu não consigo acompanhar… (risos, de novo) A capacidade de raciocínio dele é uma coisa impressionante. Pensa muito à frente. O Bayern joga um futebol fantástico e não é só pela capacidade dos jogadores, é também pelos princípios de jogo. E aquilo parece fácil, não é? Ponham lá outras equipas a fazer o mesmo…

R – O Neuer a líbero e o Lahm a jogar no meio eram coisas difíceis de imaginar.

VP – Pois eram. Mas não para ele. O Lahm sempre como linha de passe, fantástico! O Pep é muito engraçado durante os treinos. Está sempre a criar qualquer coisa. Às vezes chama miúdos da formação. Quatro ou cinco de uma vez. E tem uma preocupação permanente, mesmo com miúdos franzinos, que jogam ali no meio. No final do treino vinha ter comigo e falar sobre esses miúdos. E dizia: “Viste o talento? Viste a qualidade do miúdo?” Sempre, sempre à procura do talento, de um pormenor que pode vir a fazer a diferença..

A única coisa que quer é fazer o que ainda não foi feito. O futebol de Guardiola é uma coisa fantástica!
R – Conseguiu perceber onde é que o Bayern falhou naquela meia-final da Champions com o Real Madrid, na época passada?

VP – Por acaso discutimos isso. E eu disse-lhe exatamente aquilo que penso: “Pep, em determinados jogos continuas a expor a tua linha defensiva no momento da transição.”

R – Ele concordou?

VP – Continuei a dizer-lhe. “Pep, está a acontecer-te isto, isto e isto. Esta é a minha opinião. Se quiseres, reflete”. Ele concordou e respondeu-me: “Tens razão. Já percebi isso. Mas ando à procura de um exercício que me permita resolver o problema”. Eu disse-lhe: “Vou dar-te uma sugestão. Se aceitares, aqui está. É assim”. E dei-lhe um exercício, explicando-lhe que já tinha sentido aquele mesmo problema em equipas minhas e que tinha resolvido daquela forma. “Resulta de certeza absoluta”, expliquei-lhe. “Nunca tinha pensado nisso”, diz-me o Pep.

R – Até que…

VP – No dia seguinte chego ao treino e vem o Manuel Estiarte, adjunto dele, ter comigo: “Vítor, o que deste ao homem? O que deste ao Pep? Passou toda a tarde fechado no gabinete, parecia que lhe tinham dado um brinquedo…” De seguida aparece ele e diz-me: “Vítor, Vítor, vais ver o treino? Hoje vou começar a fazer o que me disseste”. Mas como é um génio, que nunca está satisfeito, foi ainda mais longe: “Se calhar, pegando na tua ideia, ainda dá para colocar isto aqui e aquilo ali”. Ou seja, acabou por adaptar a ideia à forma de jogar da equipa dele. Tem uma capacidade fora do comum.


Tenho uma opinião muito boa do VP e penso que o seu estilo out-of-the-box pode perfeitamente dar azo a esse cenário onde o mesmo se atreve a emendar o trabalho de Guardiola.

Só um gajo de Espinho para chegar ao pé do melhor do Mundo e dizer tás a fazer essa m£rda mal, ó morcon, né @bukowski?  Grin
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tenho o vp como um gajo que percebe de bola, mas esticou-se...    Rir Muito Alto

e por falar no mestre, treina-se assim, em muniche:

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